tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post1956571585087485430..comments2023-11-05T07:45:02.082-05:00Comments on Mystery Man on Film: “Morality,” Exposition, & AdverbsMystery Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-22804990053433298612010-05-19T08:33:07.341-04:002010-05-19T08:33:07.341-04:00Thank you. I get seriously (!!!) pissed off with s...Thank you. I get seriously (!!!) pissed off with silly small press editors who refuse even to consider a ms that contains an adverb. I hadn't realised King was the villain.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069822009799120415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-50925139897368336392010-05-12T16:45:05.426-04:002010-05-12T16:45:05.426-04:00Dankes balearweb..Dankes balearweb..Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01033047090830557080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-36000315849325911502010-05-11T11:01:04.467-04:002010-05-11T11:01:04.467-04:00I like your blog. Thank you. They are really great...I like your <a href="http://nlla20.blog126.fc2.com/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>. Thank you. They are really great . <br />Some new style <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow"> Puma Cat</a> shoes is in fashion this year. <br />The <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow">Nike Air Shoes</a> is a best <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow">Air Shoes </a>. <br /><a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow"> Nike Air Rift</a> is good and<a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow"> <br /><br />Cheap Nike Shoes</a>.<br />If you are a fans of <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow"> Puma basket</a>,we would offer the good <br /><br />and <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow">Cheap Puma Shoes</a> for you .the <a href="http://www.airshoes.us" rel="nofollow"> cheap ugg boots</a>is best christmas gift now.<br />The information age is really convenient .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-67617754238415012922010-04-17T19:13:28.732-04:002010-04-17T19:13:28.732-04:00dizi izle Film İzle Video İzle Gizlesene Ölümsüz K...<a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">dizi izle</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">Film İzle</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">Video İzle</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">Gizlesene</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">Ölümsüz Kahramanlar</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com/" rel="nofollow">Sinema İzle</a> <a href="http://www.sinemaseyredelim.com" rel="nofollow">dragon ball </a>esathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11088143890257923231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-57179568420250156842009-07-16T22:18:00.548-04:002009-07-16T22:18:00.548-04:00Thanks, Art! So very nice to meet you!
-MMThanks, Art! So very nice to meet you!<br /><br />-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-22456827876366401382009-07-16T18:53:33.141-04:002009-07-16T18:53:33.141-04:00Thanks for the kind words about my book, SPUNK &am...Thanks for the kind words about my book, SPUNK & BITE, and the riff on adverbs. I enjoyed the postings, too, underscoring the rule of moderation. The trouble is, our common adjectives just can't get off the couch without an intensifier---something stronger than "incredibly" or "unbelievably." So writers get inventive, as in David Foster Wallace's "The tea was kneebucklingly sweet." You can picture and feel the sweetness. But too many kneebuckling adverbs, and it's cringe city. <br />Best wishes, Art PlotnikArthur Plotnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706258928192623981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-7537969394718647342009-07-14T09:46:23.764-04:002009-07-14T09:46:23.764-04:00David – I’d keep it at a PG-level of cursing. I h...David – I’d keep it at a PG-level of cursing. I hate when writers say “buttocks” in an action line. Sometimes “ass” is the right word.<br /><br />Terra – Hehehe…<br /><br />JJ – Hehehe…<br /><br />Anon – I’m just criticizing the fact that he can’t abide by his own rules. His usage of adverbs (by his own standards) are pointless. But I love adverbs… when they’re fresh and creative. I’ve read, too, in coverage for scripts or reviews on TriggerStreet, people criticizing the use of adverbs and saying that they should not be used at all in scripts. It’s like any other form of writing – use GOOD adverbs.<br /><br />Christian – Hehehe…<br /><br />Bob – I say use them to create something fresh and new! <br /><br />James – Funny, using strong adverbs is my point, too, but I’m not a hater like he is.<br /><br />CJ – Great comments. Even King used an adverb in dialogue in the short “he said shyly.” I thought, “are you kidding me?”<br /><br />Dave – Adverbs is like any other form of writing. Encourage the good, discourage the bad. I don’t think he even knew how a good adverb worked when he wrote that book.<br /><br />Mickey – Hehehe… Hope you’re doing well, my friend.<br /><br />Jdarko – Thanks!Mystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-45353677462927637992009-07-13T20:01:14.263-04:002009-07-13T20:01:14.263-04:00Excellent article!Excellent article!Jdarkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12280456688061426617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-82680537069583398812009-07-10T00:13:03.270-04:002009-07-10T00:13:03.270-04:00No way, King wrote a short story where the protago...No way, King wrote a short story where the protagonist was a writer? Get out of here!Mickey Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00412489099199994379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-53277039387668657182009-07-08T18:51:39.550-04:002009-07-08T18:51:39.550-04:00If he'd taken a more moderate stance, the rule...If he'd taken a more moderate stance, the rule would've been lost.<br /><br />If he'd said "Try not to use adverbs, but if you have to, use them" -- very few people would remember that. If they don't remember it, they don't reply it. It's a lot easier to remember absolutes -- and it causes you to question every instance which violates the rule.<br /><br />Rules are made for beginners to learn. Once you've become more advanced, you can break them at your leisure.<br /><br />The important thing to know is why the rule is there, what it's designed to enforce or prevent. With King's adverb rule, it's designed to prevent redundancy, so we don't have a whole generation of this:<br /><br />"Shhh..." Joe whispered quietly.<br /><br />Jane quickly darted between people.<br /><br />Crap like that.Dave Alehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474450946075032613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-87098088094470547322009-07-07T04:11:30.270-04:002009-07-07T04:11:30.270-04:00I sympathize with MM's reaction; King's co...I sympathize with MM's reaction; King's condemnation of adverbs in "On Writing" was so strident that, after reading it, adverbs began to stick out (for me) like speed bumps. I re-checked that section recently and was surprised to see that it was a little more narrowly targeted than I had remembered; his harshest tone is reserved for adverbs pinned to dialog descriptions. Stuff like:<br /><br /><i>"I guess I read that the wrong way," he said lamely.</i> <br /><br />I've since taken King's advice to more generally mean: don't festoon each line of dialog with an adverb when simply "s/he said" will suffice.<br /><br />And of course, that's primarily advice for authors writing fictional story prose, not for screenwriters working within the highly structured format of a screenplay.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />CJCJ at Creating a Comichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15959443993713789597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-66797869195536611742009-07-07T00:37:32.464-04:002009-07-07T00:37:32.464-04:00King's point was to strike all adverbs you can...King's point was to strike all adverbs you can replace with a stronger verb. <br /><br />He even says in ON WRITING that he doesn't replace all adverbs. He tries to eliminate them all -- but alas, some just have to stay.<br /><br />His point was to find stronger verbs. Make stronger sentences.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16897402622057966364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-6400856429738497842009-07-06T17:10:02.581-04:002009-07-06T17:10:02.581-04:00I'm sorry, I was too busy staring at Bar Rafae...I'm sorry, I was too busy staring at Bar Rafaeli. What was this article about again?? oh, adjectives??<br /><br />They're part of the language, use them if it helps your meaning.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537155200839804221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-88460049213497279522009-07-06T15:14:42.626-04:002009-07-06T15:14:42.626-04:00Though I'm not abjectly disagreeable, my ideas...Though I'm not abjectly disagreeable, my ideas notably differ from his. <br /><br />I've actually been looking for something that works for me in description.<br /><br />I believe this is my remarkably overlooked construct.<br /><br />As I sit here trying to think of them, I get overwhelmingly excited.<br /><br />With such a diverse plethora of vocabulary, I think this will markedly improve certain aspects of my writing.<br /><br />Wow, this is fun. No wonder I don't think I'll ever stop studying cinema and its myriad complexities.<br /><br />I think I'll stop now.Christian H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16847810167041864292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-19387788051694100672009-07-06T13:03:42.923-04:002009-07-06T13:03:42.923-04:00I'm confused, MM. You seem to be both critici...I'm confused, MM. You seem to be both criticizing King's use of adverbs in his short story, and his objection to adverbs in <i>On Writing</i>.<br /><br />Also, Sonic is right; King advised looking at each and every adverb closely, not to eliminate them all.<br /><br />On a side note, why does anybody object to adverbs? Everything that can be said about adverbs can be said about adjectives (apart from their grammatical function, of course).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-38602567815743897612009-07-06T12:08:36.406-04:002009-07-06T12:08:36.406-04:00You know who LOVES adverbs?
Pat Conroy.You know who LOVES adverbs?<br /><br />Pat Conroy.Joshua Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08239067667651048280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-2312926792922750532009-07-06T12:01:28.458-04:002009-07-06T12:01:28.458-04:00"adverbly" is my new placeholder for whe..."adverbly" is my new placeholder for when I'm writing in a hurry and a word escapes me and I have usually put [xxx] up until now before going back to it.<br /><br />Thanks!terralinghttp://terraling.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-33214482942001037832009-07-06T11:59:57.509-04:002009-07-06T11:59:57.509-04:00Okay, so what are the rules on cursing in action l...Okay, so what are the rules on cursing in action lines? My friend didn't care for it when he read the first 10 pages of my latest script. See, I tend to get mouthy when I get excited...and yeah, it tends to bleed through my writing at times...<br /><br /><br />Is it one of those moderation things? I normally try to only use it to emphasize something or someone.David Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00954618022277834648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-83348046005091594782009-07-06T10:51:58.036-04:002009-07-06T10:51:58.036-04:00JJ - that made me laugh out loud.
Maybe the thing...JJ - that made me laugh out loud.<br /><br />Maybe the thing that bothers me most about King's book is that he's so negative about adverbs as opposed to saying, "just avoid redundancy. Be creative. Give your adjectives an interesting spin."<br /><br />-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-32509572181902375192009-07-06T10:40:08.796-04:002009-07-06T10:40:08.796-04:00ON WRITING, DAMMIT, ON WRITING!
My keyboard feels...ON WRITING, DAMMIT, ON WRITING!<br /><br />My keyboard feels abused this days, I pound it so much.Joshua Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08239067667651048280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-82825919957047569942009-07-06T10:39:28.898-04:002009-07-06T10:39:28.898-04:00I meant to write "King in ONE WRITING" r...I meant to write "King in ONE WRITING" right before "confessed. <br /><br />Oops. In a hurry, heheh.Joshua Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08239067667651048280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-13953765375620638392009-07-06T09:00:51.844-04:002009-07-06T09:00:51.844-04:00I believe in confessed to giving in to a juicy adv...I believe in confessed to giving in to a juicy adverb now and again, in his book. <br /><br />But I'm still thankful, simply because he made me think about adverbs and that's sort of the point ... specifically, adverbs are toys with pointy edges and must be played with appropriately. <br /><br />I went from not using them to employing them sparingly ... except, of course, in my comment on this post - LOL!Joshua Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08239067667651048280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-90015870895717458742009-07-05T18:50:47.529-04:002009-07-05T18:50:47.529-04:00Sonic - Thanks so much for that! In other words, ...Sonic - Thanks so much for that! In other words, good adverbs should be "sparingly used?"<br /><br />-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-81965601800506708972009-07-05T18:26:22.760-04:002009-07-05T18:26:22.760-04:00If King said one should never use adverbs, he was ...If King said one should never use adverbs, he was obviously just wrong or (more likely) hyperbolizing for effect. I like your defense of the adverb although I still find his advice a wise and needed corrective. Let's face it, between 'too few adverbs' and 'too many adverbs' most writers fall in the latter category.<br /><br />p.s. You probably know this but "friendly" in the phrase "friendly creep" is not an adverb.Sonic Charmerhttp://rwcg.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com