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I really thought CS was aweful, but half of the decisions you mention are the director's decisions and not the screenwriter's. Have you actually read Koepp's script?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-5018308305477217272008-06-23T10:25:00.000-04:002008-06-23T10:25:00.000-04:00Umm, anon, you wrote, "NO ONE has said this one th...Umm, anon, you wrote, "NO ONE has said this one thing," but I said it. I know you agree with the sentiment.<BR/><BR/>-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-28907953991660547352008-06-23T03:08:00.000-04:002008-06-23T03:08:00.000-04:00um...MM, my point was agreeing with #33, that Dara...um...MM, my point was agreeing with #33, that Darabon't script's action was Indy and the movie was LePoof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-17335685680461142842008-06-23T01:28:00.000-04:002008-06-23T01:28:00.000-04:00Unk, thanks so much for that and the link, too.Ano...Unk, thanks so much for that and the link, too.<BR/><BR/>Anon - au contraire! Here's number 33) "Here, the action was always Indy’s, not handed over to some kid wannabe. This was INDY’S movie, as well it should have been." With respect to Darabont, he was never given a chance for revisions. I seriously doubt he left over creative differences revolving around a son.<BR/><BR/>-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-40858746424123698722008-06-20T00:02:00.000-04:002008-06-20T00:02:00.000-04:00No one has said this one thing that is the overwhe...No one has said this one thing that is the overwhelming difference between the two scripts: Shia Le-Fucking-Beouf. The movie doesn't get made without him. Who can pressure Lucas and Spielberg? Dunno, maybe their own greed to have him as the star of future movies, but that's the biggest reason I figure Darabont wasn't the writer of note- Lucas said 'I like it, now put in Shia,' Darabont said 'no can do.' Lucas said 'buh-bye.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-54775136966536426072008-06-19T21:19:00.000-04:002008-06-19T21:19:00.000-04:00Had a few emails asking me if the script might be ...Had a few emails asking me if the script might be anywhere else... Apparently, a few of had problems with the site mentioned.<BR/><BR/>Here's another:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mediafire.com/?mhdtnnyzdin" REL="nofollow">Indy 4 Darabont Draft</A><BR/><BR/>UnkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-40295076261840706032008-06-19T20:54:00.000-04:002008-06-19T20:54:00.000-04:00My 2 cents...The Darabont draft is the real McCoy....My 2 cents...<BR/><BR/>The Darabont draft is the real McCoy.<BR/><BR/>I think Spielberg would have made a better movie i.e., he might have cut loose instead of holding back.<BR/><BR/>I read both versions and saw the flick and I just felt that Spielberg was crossing off scenes on his SCENES TO DO LIST... LOL.<BR/><BR/>I think the Darabont draft would have unleashed him a bit more which is what we've been waiting for.<BR/><BR/>Great post MM.<BR/><BR/>UnkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-54906154644102183362008-06-19T12:39:00.000-04:002008-06-19T12:39:00.000-04:00OH! I forgot to mention - here's something my frie...OH! I forgot to mention - here's something my friend, Neil, shared with me:<BR/><BR/>"Did you catch all of the Looney Tunes references? 'Look, just call Dean Stalling at my university! Or Senator Tashlin! Or Congressman Freleng...' And then the agent following Indy at school had the last name 'McKimson'. Dean Stalling is even called 'Carl' in the script!"<BR/><BR/>Thanks so much for that, Neil.<BR/><BR/>-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-88526762311514831352008-06-19T12:19:00.000-04:002008-06-19T12:19:00.000-04:00Hey, guys! I’m going to try to respond to everyone...Hey, guys! I’m going to try to respond to everyone, if I can.<BR/><BR/>Carlo – Thanks, Carlo<BR/><BR/>Anon – Thanks, man. At one point, Lucas said they’d have to rewrite it and take out the “offensive parts.” I wonder if Lucas was worried about the communist vs. America rhetoric hurting sales in Europe because at the time, anti-American fervor was at an all-time high outside of the U.S. Although, it’s still not good. But in the 50’s, American pride was huge, and you can’t avoid that if you want to be true to that timeframe. I wonder, too, if he felt that the backstory with the aliens would’ve offended religious groups.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Rob.<BR/><BR/>Aldentre – Well, you have to make a distinction between those who are just writers and those who are writer-directors. Writer-directors, which Darabont falls under, may not be great writers, but they can be exceptionally gifted, visually-oriented storytellers. You, on the other hand, are not permitted to have so many typos - EVER. I will personally kick your ass. A writer ought to know how to write and a screenplay ought to look like a damn screenplay.<BR/><BR/>Carlo – In my book, there’s no such thing as too professional. Hehehe…<BR/><BR/>Anon – Sorry, man, but a writer ought to know how to write. <BR/><BR/>James – Talking heads isn’t so bad if there’s good tension, good conflict, and the audience is invested in a goal of some kind. Joshua James always reminds me that there’s nothing wrong with lots of dialogue so long as its superb dialogue, and I would agree. Pulp Fiction was quite talky but you never really felt it. With respect to too many bad guys, I wondered if that was a weakness. But if I had to choose between City of Gods and Crystal Skulls, I’ll take too many (really bad) bad guys over one weak, soft bad guy any day. Was that diner comment you? You’re right, though. They probably could’ve come up with a different way of accomplishing the same goals. When I first read it and then saw his betrayal, I was thrilled because Darabont got right what Koepp failed to do. I want to say, too, that this was just a first draft. As first drafts go, this is a homerun, and a lot of our complaints probably would’ve been resolved had they stuck with it and did revisions. Loved your other comments.<BR/><BR/>Alan – Thanks for your very kind words. Ya know, there felt like a number of references to Star Wars, particularly when Indy was saying things like “your highness.” On the snake – I hear ya, man. Not only that, this scene would’ve required CGI. Darabont was definitely in a CGI state of mind. But had they stuck with this draft, they probably would’ve toned it down and made it more realistic. At least, that’s what my suggestion would’ve been, like perhaps Indy gets wrapped in a (real) giant python and gets saved RIGHT before he dies. But the IDEA about Indy and snakes was better here. It’s comedy through reversals – the surprise of Indy having overcome his fear, a new incident with a big snake, and he’s afraid all over again. I love it!<BR/><BR/>Jonathon – That’s not silly. I was emotional reading Darabont’s draft! I, too, forgave the implausibility of the A Bomb scene, and I’m not sure I can articulate why. I think the context of the scene and all those little differences (the heightened tension, the humor) leading up to that moment can make all the difference in the world. It felt more in the spirit of an Indy film. I’m not sure how else to explain it.<BR/><BR/>Alan – And those Russians were HOT on his trails! That made a big difference!<BR/><BR/>Kevin – It was such an eerie feeling how almost every flaw I mentioned was perfectly addressed in Darabont’s draft. Everything I complained about was handled better. It gave me chills.<BR/><BR/>Carlo – There are limits.<BR/><BR/>Proust’s Panda – I certainly won’t argue with that.<BR/><BR/>James – I would just add that the circumstances were quite different when Kasdan wrote Raiders. Everyone wasn’t quite so fussy about so many different things.<BR/><BR/>Spanish Prisoner – Missing the transition is a good point. <BR/><BR/>David –The problem with you is that you’re too subtle. It’s hard to gauge what you really think about a subject. Hehehe… I love ya, man. All right. First, I must say that they made some really f*cking great fridges in the 1950’s. I’m just saying – they kicked ass. Hehehe... <BR/><BR/>Le me ask a bigger question – what is the point of an Indiana Jones films?<BR/><BR/>To have FUN.<BR/><BR/>Danny – I loved that airplane sequence.<BR/><BR/>Carlo – I completely agree. I should revise what I said: To have some QUALITY FUN.<BR/><BR/>Anon – Completely agree.<BR/><BR/>David – I certainly never believed there were going to die, but I certainly felt the tension, which was non-existent in CS. If you didn’t have bad memories of the waterfall sequence in CS, I’m willing to bet that you would’ve enjoyed more Darabont’s waterfall sequence. The Indy films were always attempts to be A films under the guise of B films, and CS just failed on almost every level. It was beneath the caliber of everyone involved.<BR/><BR/>Anon – You can’t expect lightning in a bottle on a par with Raiders, but you can shoot for second best, and I believe Darabont’s draft had that potential. I think it was probably a case of deterioration of quality over the course of countless drafts, and somehow Koepp failed to keep it all tied together really well.<BR/><BR/>Danny – It certainly did rekindle fond memories, that was very true for me.<BR/><BR/>Caliburn – Hey there. I’ll tell you why we needed Indy IV – because it’s really fun! You’re absolutely right. I don’t believe in perfect drafts, never seen one. But this was a superb first draft, as good as any first draft has ever been. I don’t know if I’ll do a ten suggestion article. I thought we’d talk about that here. But let’s list 5 here.<BR/><BR/>1. I would’ve had lots of tweaks to the dialogue.<BR/>2. I also thought of a number of additional jokes.<BR/>3. I would’ve cut down on the self-references to the museum scene and “it’s not the mileage” and probably cut everything else. I laughed at the jokes about Willy Scott, but ya know, in hindsight, it took me out of the story, and I think I would’ve cut it.<BR/>4. Indy needed to use his whip more. I believe he used it only once, didn’t he? In the airplane sequence?<BR/>5. Redesign the snake sequence to be more realistic.<BR/>6. Shorten the third act sequence in the Chamber of Gods.<BR/>7. I think there was too much action, which is a good thing at this stage of the process (better to have too much than too little), but as it is, it probably would’ve been over two hours, and it’s just part of the natural process to trim some things here and there.<BR/><BR/>On Indy not being much of an archeologist – he was very much the archeologist in the beginning with the pottery and in the end when they found the lost city, was he not?<BR/><BR/>David – So long as everyone has a really good time, they won’t bitch about bringing Indy back. I feel pretty good everyone would’ve been happy with Darabont’s vision. Your “little monsters” comment made me laugh out loud.<BR/><BR/>I don’t have much to add to this back and forth here.<BR/><BR/>James – Yeah, I certainly would’ve gone for a religious artifact. But, Darabont did the best he could with what he was given. Something Russian would’ve been brilliant.<BR/><BR/>Whew!<BR/><BR/>-MMMystery Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486331815227364944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-70571964978207107132008-06-19T10:19:00.000-04:002008-06-19T10:19:00.000-04:00I think the real problem is, as a handful of you h...I think the real problem is, as a handful of you have stated, there's no purpose for this movie to have been made. It's pure fluff. <BR/><BR/>None, of the INDYs prior were pure fluff. Even TOD was trying to juxtapose INDYs quest for "fortune and glory" against doing something for the betterment of a small unknown community -- save their kids from the Thugee mines.<BR/><BR/>It failed, but at least the movie was still trying to be ABOUT SOMETHING. And I believe that's why this movie still resonates with us, even though its flawed.<BR/><BR/>The problem is Crystal Skull doesn't know what it wants to be.<BR/><BR/>Is it a Russian spy movie about McCarthyism? Is it a movie about spacemen? Is it a movie about a father and son? Is it a movie about a lost love? Is it about a man who is past his prime?<BR/><BR/>The problem is Indy IV tries to be everything.<BR/><BR/>P.S. -- <BR/><BR/>I personally, don't think aliens belong in an INDY movie. But I can sure as hell make them work in one, if at the end of the day, there must be aliens in the movie.<BR/><BR/>There's a beautiful connection between aliens and evidence. For a character like Indiana Jones, a man of science, an archaeologist -- all you have to do is pose the question: Do aliens exist? as your central dramatic question to the character.<BR/><BR/>Indiana, who doesn't believe in superstitious nonsense, surely isn't going to believe in the existence of extra terrestrials. Heck, he's been digging up the earth's past for decades -- and nothing he's unearthed has led him to believe there's life outside our own.<BR/><BR/>Which is a great tie-in to the Crystal Skull being an artifact that proves Indiana wrong. <BR/><BR/>The real problem, is this is a tough premise for an INDY film because there simply isn't that much room for "debate." Every scene needs to be slanted around the question "Do aliens exist?"<BR/><BR/>How you show this in an Adventure movie could be very problematic. It's not exactly an adventure premise. <BR/><BR/>----<BR/><BR/>The Russians on the other hand, could have easily had some vague Russian artifact from their history, and made an excellent adventure film around it.<BR/><BR/>The question with this type of movie would be more along the lines of -- Is Indy a patriot? <BR/><BR/>This premise lends itself much more to an INDY story. You can already picture the action sequences, not to mention the fact that INDY does seemingly unconventional things (leaving the damsel tied up instead of saving her) that could possibly complicate the implications that Indy is a Communist. <BR/><BR/>You could probably even dove tail the romantic story of Marion into this tale -- because a roughneck adventurer getting the girl that, at first, hates his guts seems to me at least, to be a very American ideal.<BR/><BR/>-- <BR/><BR/>Movies are simple things. They are really proving or disproving a single question. To that, each and every scene needs to be focused toward that central question.<BR/><BR/>The movies that seem deep, that seem to delve into multiple themes and premises have simply found a way to use these other issues to answer the central question without distracting from it.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16897402622057966364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-75345554100502309672008-06-19T09:51:00.000-04:002008-06-19T09:51:00.000-04:00To David Alan:Movies like MEET THE SPARTANS make m...To David Alan:<BR/><BR/>Movies like MEET THE SPARTANS make money. That doesn't make them good.<BR/><BR/>You argue that people who are stuck on the previous 3 INDYs are the ones that have "missed the point" for not enjoying this movie. <BR/><BR/>I have to disagree. From what I've seen, its the younger generation stuck on the idea of INDY as a character, that don't let the quality of the film (and in general films) speak for themselves.<BR/><BR/>I think this is in part, why, so many nostalgic throwbacks to the 70s and 80s -- cartoons, remakes, etc, etc. are being made.<BR/><BR/>This is really no different than the Spiderman 3 hype over Venom being in the movie. A really crappy movie. That made lots of money.<BR/><BR/>Or DIE HARD 4. In fact, INDY 4 is almost exactly the same flawed formula as DIE HARD 4. <BR/><BR/>These things make money based on the franchise alone. This isn't new.<BR/><BR/>DC, as a comic book company, rarely turns a profit. Where it makes its money is on the simple licensing of 2 characters -- Superman and Batman. Point being, the comics don't even have to be good, they are advertising for characters that have become icons for pop culture.<BR/> <BR/>END NOTE:<BR/><BR/>Just to clear up some facts -- Indy isn't based on B-movies from the 50s. Several of you have stated this as fact. It's based on SERIALS from the 50s. As I'm sure we can all agree, there is a pretty big difference between movies and TV in terms of medium.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16897402622057966364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-1802772141123899912008-06-18T14:48:00.000-04:002008-06-18T14:48:00.000-04:00I just want to quickly say thanks for putting all ...I just want to quickly say thanks for putting all this together. I have yet to see Indy 4 but have heard how awful it is. Can't wait to watch it and then check out 50 things that stunk about it, and 50 things why this version is better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-4410139673082659452008-06-18T14:41:00.000-04:002008-06-18T14:41:00.000-04:00No worries mate... speak your mind. Just didn't ap...No worries mate... speak your mind. Just didn't appreciate being lumped into the "spoiled fanboy" category when CS -- by all accounts -- is an inferior work of cinema.<BR/><BR/>Did I expect too much? I don't think so. Spielberg, from my perspective, phoned this one in because he wasn't happy with the script and was doing it out of his obligation and friendship to Lucas.<BR/><BR/>And perhaps if Lucas had paid more attention to the "fanboys" then Indy 4 might have been something to celebrate instead of dismiss.<BR/><BR/>But life goes on, Indy - er - David.<BR/><BR/>Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-7733738818100729232008-06-18T05:04:00.000-04:002008-06-18T05:04:00.000-04:00Carlo -- You are reading way too much into what I’...Carlo -- You are reading way too much into what I’m saying. And you took it out of context. I never said any of the things you accuse me of. <BR/><BR/>I never said that "Kingdom" was better than the original three. In fact, I said the movie should’ve never been made. <A HREF="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30413383&postID=8810519154429151478" REL="nofollow"> Linky </A>. You’ll dig it. I guarantee it.<BR/><BR/>Also, I never said you didn’t know what you talking about. I was speaking about what I’ve seen and the conversations I’ve had. I was just looking at the movie from another point of view. <BR/><BR/>And from what I've noticed people who really liked the original Indiana Jones movies hated it, but for people who are younger and don't quite remember them too much they love it. <BR/><BR/>That told me a lot of people -- not everybody -- had high hopes. And when it failed to deliver, they were pissed...rightfully so...but just because it didn’t meet my and others expectation doesn’t make the movies shit. It isn’t good. But it’s definitely not shit. Different strokes for various folks.<BR/><BR/>That’s all I was saying.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous -- I’m cool, man. I’m with you. I never thought you were a purist. You just didn’t care for the film. I’m with you. I even include myself into the post above. I'll pay to see anything Lucas and Spielberg makes. But I was just looking at things from a different perspective.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I'm done. Too much shit getting lost in translation.<BR/><BR/>-- David AlanDavid Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00954618022277834648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-41641754866423622122008-06-18T01:54:00.000-04:002008-06-18T01:54:00.000-04:00"And we can take it or leave it."I'm not a purist,..."And we can take it or leave it."<BR/><BR/>I'm not a purist, mate, despite how I'm coming across here... and chillax already... your indignation is flaring up... I simply expected more from the team that brought us Raiders of the Lost Ark. It wasn't Uwe Boll's Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - it was produced and directed by two of the most influential and ground-breaking filmmakers ever to walk the planet. These masters of their craft had 20 years -- 20 years -- and 185 mil to perfect a 4th installment and CS is what they came up with?<BR/><BR/>Cthulhu help us all. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30413383.post-65853462672956779882008-06-18T01:53:00.000-04:002008-06-18T01:53:00.000-04:00Heck, you know what they could've done to make CS ...Heck, you know what they could've done to make CS "do it" for us? Listen to MM's notes and simply not make it suck. CS is definitely fixable, and Darabont shows us that. It'll always have the stigma of being an unneeded movie, but nothing was standing in the way of its ability to simply be a good (or decent) movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com